Alex and Ed caught up with Indy Car racer and automotive intellectual JR Hildebrand at the LA Auto Show, leading to a series of conversations about the intersection of auto enthusiasm and autonomous drive technology. In this episode JR explains how he got involved with autonomous drive system development at the Stanford REVs program, describes what it's like to teach robots how to race and drift, and ponders the evolving relationship between freedom and safety in the context of a potential "war on human driving." At a time when car enthusiasts often feel left behind by the race toward autonomous mobility, JR's passionate defense of human driving and his valuable contributions to the very technology that threatens to replace it show that enthusiasm and autonomy need not oppose each other.